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Topic47 percent support making public colleges tuition-free, 45 percent oppose
emblem boy
09/21/17 3:05:47 PM
#93
Anteaterking posted...
emblem boy posted...
Anteaterking posted...
emblem boy posted...
Anteaterking posted...
emblem boy posted...
What if they got their degree at the same time but one paid it off years before the other. Then the grandfathering happened


But then you aren't comparing them to people who benefit under the new policy. You're comparing them to another person who was under the old policy.


Yes that's what I'm saying. You said those who graduated and are currently paying student loans after graduating should get some form of compensation, but those who graduated at the same time but paid it off faster shouldn't get compensation?


Yeah, but that's just because we have to set the cut-off somewhere. If they both graduated within the cut-off, it would treat them the same regardless of how fast they paid off loans.


Ok I read what you initially said wrong then.


I was just saying that if we draw the line at all loan payments made within the last 10 years, if there two people who graduated twelve years ago and one of them started repaying really fast, they would have more paid off outside of that 10 years, so they would benefit less, but that's somewhat unavoidable with a cut-off.


Why not just have the cutoff based on when they graduated rather than when they started paying their loans
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Topic47 percent support making public colleges tuition-free, 45 percent oppose
emblem boy
09/21/17 3:01:33 PM
#91
Anteaterking posted...
emblem boy posted...
Anteaterking posted...
emblem boy posted...
What if they got their degree at the same time but one paid it off years before the other. Then the grandfathering happened


But then you aren't comparing them to people who benefit under the new policy. You're comparing them to another person who was under the old policy.


Yes that's what I'm saying. You said those who graduated and are currently paying student loans after graduating should get some form of compensation, but those who graduated at the same time but paid it off faster shouldn't get compensation?


Yeah, but that's just because we have to set the cut-off somewhere. If they both graduated within the cut-off, it would treat them the same regardless of how fast they paid off loans.


Ok I read what you initially said wrong then.
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Topic47 percent support making public colleges tuition-free, 45 percent oppose
emblem boy
09/21/17 2:57:28 PM
#89
Anteaterking posted...
emblem boy posted...
What if they got their degree at the same time but one paid it off years before the other. Then the grandfathering happened


But then you aren't comparing them to people who benefit under the new policy. You're comparing them to another person who was under the old policy.


Yes that's what I'm saying. You said those who graduated and are currently paying student loans after graduating should get some form of compensation, but those who graduated at the same time but paid it off faster shouldn't get compensation?
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Topic47 percent support making public colleges tuition-free, 45 percent oppose
emblem boy
09/21/17 2:53:25 PM
#86
Anteaterking posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Anteaterking posted...
You're comparing the wrong thing. Using the numbers above, who would be better off in 50 years? The version of you who got their degree ten years ago or the version of you who starts their degree right now?


I meant flash forward 50 years into their individual careers. Also, even in your example, the person who started 10 years later but with $0 in student debt may very well be better off.


You wouldn't be in my example.

When you got their degree early, they got 60 years * 85,000 - 80,000 = $5,020,000
When you waited to get your degree, you got 10 years * 35,000 + 40 years * 85,000=$3,750,000


What if they got their degree at the same time but one paid it off years before the other. Then the grandfathering happened
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Topic47 percent support making public colleges tuition-free, 45 percent oppose
emblem boy
09/21/17 2:38:07 PM
#78
Anteaterking posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Anteaterking posted...

I think to claim that you were at an economic disadvantage, you'd have to show me that you spent more on your degree than you gained because of having it.


How so? Two people are working in the same job with the same degree. One person got that degree for free, and the other has $100,000.00 in debt to pay back. That's an economic disadvantage, even if both of those people ultimately make back more than the debt in salary.


My initial comment about grandfathering said that I would expect something for people who currently have student loans.

I'm saying that the people who have already paid off their student loans don't have much claim to reparations.


If you're gonna give something for those paying off their loans, then I'd think it makes sense to give someone for those who paid off their loans, assuming both groups of people meet the same conditions such as school, graduation date, etc
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Topic47 percent support making public colleges tuition-free, 45 percent oppose
emblem boy
09/21/17 2:33:25 PM
#76
Anteaterking posted...
emblem boy posted...
Anteaterking posted...
s0nicfan posted...
I think the difference here is education is being pitched as a right. If you've been historically deprived of a right, generally the people who were negatively affected tend to seek reparations for being put at a societal disadvantage due to that disadvantage.


What's the societal disadvantage?


I'd think he means the ecenomic disadvantage


I think to claim that you were at an economic disadvantage, you'd have to show me that you spent more on your degree than you gained because of having it.

This is in addition to needing to fit the parameters of attending a public school (and possibly requiring it to be one in your state, depending on how the legislation ends up going).


Does this apply to those who paid off their loans and those who haven't?
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Topic47 percent support making public colleges tuition-free, 45 percent oppose
emblem boy
09/21/17 2:24:05 PM
#67
Anteaterking posted...
s0nicfan posted...
I think the difference here is education is being pitched as a right. If you've been historically deprived of a right, generally the people who were negatively affected tend to seek reparations for being put at a societal disadvantage due to that disadvantage.


What's the societal disadvantage?


I'd think he means the ecenomic disadvantage
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Topic47 percent support making public colleges tuition-free, 45 percent oppose
emblem boy
09/21/17 2:19:35 PM
#61
ForestLogic posted...
emblem boy posted...
ForestLogic posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
would this include student loan forgiveness for students who already graduated from public universities?


This.

I will never support people getting free tuition as long as I'm still expected to pay for the one I had in the post.


Honest question. Do people generally expect this type of grandfathering(?) Or compensation for a type of similar program that comes into place?


How would you feel if you needed a new car, so you financed one that cost $20,000. Then 6 months into your 5 year loan you find out the same dealership you got the car from is giving them away to people for free. You'd have every right to feel duped.
That's what its like being a recent college graduate who has loans to pay off right now, while there's a conversation about free tuition being started.

Note, I am NOT an advocate of free college. I think it's a bad idea that will accomplish nothing but further devaluing degrees, and dissuade people from trade jobs even more than they are.
BUT I don't get to decide if college is free or not. If it becomes a reality, then yes I will absolutely fucking expect that my federal loans should be forgiven because frankly it's horse shit that I need to continue paying for something that is now free, all while the economy is tanking around me in the wake of the free-ness.


How is that example different than buying something at full price then finding out months later it's on sale at the same store for half off? The argument Sonic makes about it being pushed as a right is better
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Topic47 percent support making public colleges tuition-free, 45 percent oppose
emblem boy
09/21/17 2:08:28 PM
#46
Anteaterking posted...
emblem boy posted...
Honest question. Do people generally expect this type of grandfathering(?) Or compensation for a type of similar program that comes into place?


I think you could expect a loose sort of grandfathering to help people who currently have student loans, but there's no reason to "pay back" everyone who has ever paid a student loan off.


Ya, that I'd be fine with. The argument that those who have paid their college fees should get some type of full refund is weird to me. If taxes lower in a certain area, I've never expected to be paid compensation for when the tax was higher. Not the best analogy I'm sure, but only one I can think of right now.
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Topic47 percent support making public colleges tuition-free, 45 percent oppose
emblem boy
09/21/17 1:31:08 PM
#15
ForestLogic posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
would this include student loan forgiveness for students who already graduated from public universities?


This.

I will never support people getting free tuition as long as I'm still expected to pay for the one I had in the post.


Honest question. Do people generally expect this type of grandfathering(?) Or compensation for a type of similar program that comes into place?
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TopicYou find out your college professor was a draft dodger.
emblem boy
09/21/17 11:49:38 AM
#11
Nope. I hope I'd have done the same thing
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TopicAsking for someone's blessing is just good manners.
emblem boy
09/20/17 7:48:11 PM
#4
The dating one is weird.

For the marriage one, it's really just informing the parents. I mean, it's not as if you're gonna not marry her just because the parents say no
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TopicGonna break up with the GF today
emblem boy
09/20/17 2:41:51 PM
#59
I see what Royal is saying. You're breaking up with your girl when you've been flirting with a new girl and plan on being drunk around her at a wedding soon.

It's good you're breaking it off before any physical cheating happens, but it seems sketchy.

But whatever, you realized now is the time to end it, and that's good
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TopicAre you a cat or dog person?
emblem boy
09/20/17 12:13:25 PM
#2
Cats seem easier to take care of, so them.
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TopicIs biking a good substitute for running
emblem boy
09/20/17 11:58:29 AM
#10
Mark_DeRosa posted...
emblem boy posted...
For cardio benefits?

I'd think as long as you work as hard biking and stay in the right heart rate area, it shouldn't be too much different

Yes I just want to be able to get some stamina. Get back in shape for the police academy which I should be running for but I can't stand running lmao


Same but it seems like you'd have to bike longer to get the same benefits, which is what has always turned me off from biking. Maybe I'm wrong though.
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TopicIs biking a good substitute for running
emblem boy
09/20/17 11:11:27 AM
#6
For cardio benefits?

I'd think as long as you work as hard biking and stay in the right heart rate area, it shouldn't be too much different
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TopicC/D: Would you make out with Alex Jones for $1 million dollars?
emblem boy
09/20/17 12:41:11 AM
#4
Of course
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TopicNazi in Seattle knocked out today. Part 2
emblem boy
09/18/17 2:34:21 PM
#133
Tezlok posted...
emblem boy posted...
It stops that guy in that instant.

stops him from doing what? sitting on a bus? grats. now your going to prison but at least you stopped a nazi from sitting on the bus!


Yes. I agree that what he's doing is no big deal, that's why I don't agree with punching him.
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TopicNazi in Seattle knocked out today. Part 2
emblem boy
09/18/17 2:33:14 PM
#126
That_Happened posted...
emblem boy posted...
Is punching them the best way to stop the overall threat though?

The overall threat? No. It's not the best way to stop that. But it's not like anti-Nazis are a well formed group with a plan. Basically I'd prefer these people get exposed and lose their jobs or have their social lives altered, but I also don't tend to care if they get punched for instigating fights.


Then expose them and if they are in a position of power where they can actually influence and impact people's lives, all the better.

Punching him does nothing at all though
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TopicNazi in Seattle knocked out today. Part 2
emblem boy
09/18/17 2:30:20 PM
#115
SaikyoStyle posted...
emblem boy posted...
Omega Hunter posted...
Tezlok posted...
Omega Hunter posted...
We disagree on the starting point I don't see how anyone wearing a literal Nazi armband can be called non violent.

the difference is that I think that no matter what someone says with their mouth, until they actually act on it, they are not violent


I disagree and we will never come to an understanding then. You wave a black ISIS flag, wear a Nazi armband, or put on a KKK hood and robe and I don't see you as non violent, I see you as an active and present threat.


Is punching them the best way to stop the overall threat though?

That guy wasn't so active afterwards.


It stops that guy in that instant..his views haven't been changed and i wouldn't expect it to.
As I said earlier


emblem boy posted...
My issue with stories like these is that what does him punching that guy accomplish?

People who are against Nazis 100% are still going to be against Nazis. People who are not, are still not going to be against it. Those in the middle(wrongly in the middle by the way. There is no middle ground for the idealogy) will just end up feeling a little bit of sympathy for them.

While those in the middle are not good, the point is, you want as many on your side as possible.

There just is no end result in punching a Nazi.



It's not that I'm even always against violence..I just don't think that it's the best way to get results anymore these days.
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TopicNazi in Seattle knocked out today. Part 2
emblem boy
09/18/17 2:26:57 PM
#107
Omega Hunter posted...
Tezlok posted...
Omega Hunter posted...
We disagree on the starting point I don't see how anyone wearing a literal Nazi armband can be called non violent.

the difference is that I think that no matter what someone says with their mouth, until they actually act on it, they are not violent


I disagree and we will never come to an understanding then. You wave a black ISIS flag, wear a Nazi armband, or put on a KKK hood and robe and I don't see you as non violent, I see you as an active and present threat.


Is punching them the best way to stop the overall threat though?
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TopicNazi in Seattle knocked out today. Part 2
emblem boy
09/18/17 2:24:13 PM
#99
My issue with stories like these is that what does him punching that guy accomplish?

People who are against Nazis 100% are still going to be against Nazis. People who are not, are still not going to be against it. Those in the middle(wrongly in the middle by the way. There is no middle ground for the idealogy) will just end up feeling a little bit of sympathy for them.

While those in the middle are not good, the point is, you want as many on your side as possible.

There just is no end result in punching a Nazi.
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TopicCelsius is good for science, but makes no sense for every day life.
emblem boy
09/18/17 5:01:38 AM
#45
Rika_Furude posted...
Celsius is far better than Fahrenheit for every day temperatures. It's actually meaningful. 0 degrees is when water freezes, 100 degrees is when water boils.

wtf is 0 degrees in Fahrenheit?


Why do I need to know when water boils in everyday regular life? Or when water freezes
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TopicHas anyone ever tried cooking stew in a pol pot?
emblem boy
09/17/17 9:53:11 PM
#9
I'm confused
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TopicThe main thing I don't understand about vegetarianism
emblem boy
09/17/17 9:12:24 PM
#4
Atralis posted...
All animals die. In nature animals die from predators killing them and they die of starvation in the absence of predators. The natural course for animals in the wild is not to just live a long full life absent of hunger, fear, or pain.



I don't really get that argument. Are you saying it's fine because it's natural? So what? We don't do many things in life that are considered "natural"

If they're doing it for moral reasons, they don't see the point in adding to that suffering if it can be helped. And since they can get by without needing to eat meat these days and they have the means, they decide to not add or be involved in the process,
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TopicDate #3 with Tinder girl was last night
emblem boy
09/17/17 2:39:14 PM
#17
Took until the 4th date to kiss the girl I'm seeing right now. I was bad at being assertive
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TopicHow do you guys deal with your anxiety?
emblem boy
09/17/17 6:07:11 AM
#19
What's anxiety feel like?
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TopicGonna start trying for baby #2 soon
emblem boy
09/17/17 1:42:26 AM
#4
How old is your first
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TopicI dont understand moral vegetarianism
emblem boy
09/16/17 1:39:09 PM
#4
There are vegetarians who don't consume dairy or eggs.
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TopicIt should only be 2 years to get a bachelor's degree
emblem boy
09/15/17 10:10:29 PM
#43
For my engineering degree, you pretty much needed 4 years because of the math prerequisites that lead into the actual engineering classes.
If you take your calc classes at a community college over the summer or test out of it, you could probably graduate in 3 years.

The Gen ED stuff pretty much just padded the rest of your schedule for the semester.
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Topicwhere do/did you go to college
emblem boy
09/15/17 4:59:23 AM
#6
University of Texas: Dallas
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TopicLIVE NOW: Ben Shapiro's speech and outside coverage of campus.
emblem boy
09/15/17 4:03:36 AM
#95
-Gavirulax- posted...
emblem boy posted...
When Shapiro talks about the left, does he mean the far left, and not simply the liberals and the Democrats? Or does he equate them all together?


From what I've seen in the past he uses the term leftist to refer to the regressive left, which is why he tends to avoid using the term liberal (which he himself states he doesn't mean logical liberals).

Rather the ones that whine about safe spaces, white privilege and wanna censor everything.


I've been listening to the talk and QA section and he seems to be equating the both of them.

And even if he isn't, I hope he does clearly state that more. Because his arguments against the far left would pretty much be the same arguments against the far right, with things like identity politics, violence, etc.
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TopicLIVE NOW: Ben Shapiro's speech and outside coverage of campus.
emblem boy
09/15/17 3:21:48 AM
#93
When Shapiro talks about the left, does he mean the far left, and not simply the liberals and the Democrats? Or does he equate them all together?
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TopicLIVE NOW: Ben Shapiro's speech and outside coverage of campus.
emblem boy
09/15/17 2:47:22 AM
#92
Was the speech or QA worth listening to?
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TopicCE what age did you lose your virginity?
emblem boy
09/13/17 4:15:40 PM
#6
27
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TopicHow often during the day are you NOT looking at a screen?
emblem boy
09/13/17 11:47:30 AM
#11
YoshitoKikuchi posted...
mortimerjames posted...
YoshitoKikuchi posted...
Depressing.

why?


You don't find anything sad about it?


Why should we? If someone is bring productive with their time looking at their phone or computer, I don't see that as a negative.
Note that I'm putting things like reading as activities to do when looking at a screen
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TopicBerkeley giving COUNCILING to students because a right-wing guy will be there
emblem boy
09/12/17 12:35:19 PM
#23
It'd be stupid for the left to make his appearance turn violent. Don't do something stupid that he can then capitalize on
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TopicSo the 15 year old girl I bought condoms for last month just admitted that she
emblem boy
09/12/17 9:38:48 AM
#29
Lol, seems like she just wants to get pregnant
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TopicPSA: If you affected by the Equifax hack (you are) freeze your credit ASAP
emblem boy
09/08/17 5:55:21 PM
#50
Corrupt_Power posted...
Kingbuffet posted...
How could we possibily know if our credit is affected, ehat does freeezing it accomplish. What if you still like to use your credit card

This is the official site to see if you are effected, from Equifax:
https://trustedidpremier.com/eligibility/eligibility.html

It will also let you enroll in their credit monitoring system free for 1 year if you are.

A credit freeze, to my knowledge, only freezes opening of new lines of credit. It does not effect your ability to use your current lines of credit.


If it says we weren't impacted, based on that link, I don't have to do anything else right?
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TopicMaisie Williams General v2: "Who the hell let the last topic purge?"
emblem boy
07/29/17 10:11:36 PM
#334
HogRiderreturns posted...
Ycj62pg

What is that?
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TopicMaisie Williams General v2: "Who the hell let the last topic purge?"
emblem boy
06/17/17 4:07:17 PM
#270
Volkswagen_Bros posted...
Don't care much for her boobs as much as I care for her butthole.


Brah...
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TopicMaisie Williams General v2: "Who the hell let the last topic purge?"
emblem boy
05/06/17 11:43:19 PM
#222
Ruvan22 posted...
Is the redhead also in the X Men Apocalypse movie?

Ya
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